Monday, September 12, 2005
A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION
As liberals, we are more concerned with winning arguments than we are with winning elections.

Discuss.
Moderates and conservatives, please add your thoughts as well.


21 Comments:

Blogger katarina said...

No we're not! I'm right and you know it.

Blogger Melliferous Pants said...

Winning elections, what's that?

Blogger Knitty Kitty said...

honestly, I'm a big liberal, and I'm still waiting to find a party with a pair big enough to actually get an agenda successfully pushed through...The democrats have thoroughly disappointed me.

Blogger JJ said...

The problem is that liberals are open to new ideas, are generally free thinkers, and more intellectually inclined than the knuckle-dragging unevolved apes in that other party.

They all think alike. They all believe the same thing. They can get their entire party behind one retard with monkey ears while we stand arguing.

The problem is: we're doing it right. National policy should be a debate, not a mandate. The only thing we can do is to each take one Midwesterner on and mentor them into the 20th century.

Yes, I know it's currently the 21st century, but we can't ask them to make the leap all at once.

Blogger Übermilf said...

I'm with J.J. For better or for worse, Liberals are more inclined to ponder principles, ideals concepts.

Conservatives are much more pragmatic (the good ones) or doggedly self-serving and egomaniacal bastards (the typical ones.)

Two things happen as a result: conservatives get defensive and angry (are you calling me stupid?) and conservatives advance their agenda while the liberals are still contemplating what the "right" thing to do is.

That's just my opinion, anyway.

Blogger Crystal said...

The country has grown more conservative, it's an uphill battle for Dems to win national or even state elections and there's nothing we can really do about that. And JJ, Midwesterners actually are fairly moderate, it's the Southern voters who are holding this nation back. They've given Bush a blank check so long as he makes sure that gays don't ever get to marry!

Blogger Nettie B said...

ditto littlemissknit

Blogger Egan said...

Gays can't marry? Damn, that is so wrong. I need to talk to someone about this.

The conservatives are just happy that lady in Crawford, TX has gone AWOL after Katrina hit.

Blogger Princess Steph said...

As a conservative (would you ever have guessed) I would have to say obviously your answer is winning arguments (although that point is contentious as well. Winning, really???)

Gawd I love being a "doggedly self-serving and egomaniacal bastard."

Muhahahahaha.

It gives me much joy.

And my blank check has nothing to do with gays marrying (please do as who are we to turn down additional marriage penalties) but much more to do with the bottom line – protecting what I have worked hard to earn – MY money.

It would be nearly impossible to rule the world as I have planned without it.

Again I say muhahahahaha.

Blogger Brookelina said...

I find it interesting to note that conservatives keep saying that they are protecting their money by not voting democrat, but property taxes, gas prices, food prices - cost of living in general is completely out of control. How is that saving hard earned money?

Blogger Princess Steph said...

its all about the tax breaks my friend.

the perks of working your way into my tax bracket.

Blogger Princess Steph said...

(and I was only trying to liven things up)

Todd- what have you done?

Blogger yournamehere said...

kat,
Oh yeah?

ms. pants,
Winning elections for dems (at least in my adulthood) was born in 1992 when Bill Clinton decided to not listen to the people who ruined Mondale and Dukakis and speak to people other than east coast intellectuals. Unfortunately, it died in 2000 when Al Gore wouldn't let Clinton campaign for him because some people didn't like Clinton. (Those people were called Republicans and never would have voted for Gore anyway).

littlemissknit,
the democratic party is disorganized and weak. They have no leader. But they didn't have a leader in '91 either until Clinton immerged. Let's hope our savior lies in wait.

jj,
There aren't enough ultra-conservatives to win a national election. They're the people who think as one and there's no way we'll ever win them over. We need to appeal to the moderates.
Right now, even though you may disagree with him on a lot of issues, wouldn't you rather have John McCain as President over Bush?













It's a fact. We need to appeal to moderates and Kerry did a piss-poor job of

Blogger yournamehere said...

ubermilf,
yes, I would argue this country needs pragmatic citizens. It wouldn't function well without them. The selfish bastards can go to hell.

Crystal,
a lot of Southerners voted for Clinton, but Kerry was a hard sell for the good ol' boys.

nettie,
Ditto my comment to littlemissknit.

egan,
I think Katrina will hurt Bush more than Cindy Sheehan ever could.

Blogger yournamehere said...

Steph,
I knew you were conservative because JJ and Andi are the only two liberals in Texas.

Brooke,
I agree. I believe the British call it being penny wise and pound foolish.

Steph again,
Wow, you must make A LOT of money, because only the ultra rich are actually helped by Bush's tax cuts.
As a matter of fact, more people became new millionaires under Clinton than under Bush, because the economy was better, and a good economy makes more people rich. All Bush has done is make old millionaires much richer, shrunk the middle class, and raised poverty levels.

I do agree that we at least seem to prefer winning arguments. We get a big kick out of belittling people of faith, and that isn't going to get us anywhere.

Oh, and Steph, feel free to express your opinion on my blog regarding any subject. I might not agree and in fact your opinion might piss me off, but I won't think any less of you. My brother is far more conservative than you, believe me, and I still love the fuckin' Nazi. (Just kidding about the Nazi thing).

Blogger yournamehere said...

Okay, ignore that sentence fragment way below my first string of comments. I wasn't going to delete that entire long ass comment to fix it.

Blogger Princess Steph said...

oh todd - it was mostly in jest sweetheart.

said tax bracket is still 1.3 years down the road, once the strip joints and meth labs get up and running at full capacity.

It will all be on the up and up of course.

Blogger Ruben said...

The problem with Liberals is that we have not learned to prey on ignorance and fears t0o win elections i.e homophobia and terrorism.

Blogger Knitty Kitty said...

darn tooting, but its really hard to get rich white old guys scared about homophobia and race relations.. also, they couldn't give two shits about whether or not a woman has access to abortion.. why? rich white men don't really need them, except for when they knock up their babysitters...

While I'm not usually up for generalities, that was kinda fun....

Blogger MollyNormal said...

I think liberals are interested in winning elections, but since they don't do it often, they settle for winning arguments instead.

Blogger Steve Caratzas said...

It's not the winning, it's the losing.

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